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It's Raining Rabbits!
Wow -- after quite a drought, potential buyers now have a reasonably good assortment of Rabbits to choose from -- as long as you like the 202 (90cc) or 402 (Touring) body styles. There are 4 different 402s for sale -- Bob's old 402A in the Bay Area (California), a pair that look like they were probably meter-maid vehicles in Detroit, one in Ohio, and 1 in Nevada (these last 2 are both on Ebay, so don't dawdle if you're interested).
As for the 202s, there's a pair in Pennsylvania, one on Ebay in Florida, one in Maine that may have sold, and another in Southern California. They're all listed in the "for sale" section.
Is it just random chance that these scooters are all cropping up now? If you're planning a wintertime restoration, this seems like the perfect time to buy. Maybe with summer more or less over, people are looking at their scooters, realizing they didn't ride them as much as they'd hoped, or they never got around to restoring them, and either way it's time to sell now? Whatever the cause, now's a good time to go shopping!
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Re: It's Raining Rabbits!
finally got to reading this post. I've picked up Bob's 402A and it now lives in Sacramento.
Which brings me to my question: anyone have a listing of differences between the 402A and B models? All the literature that I've found is for the B model and there are some significant differences between the two:
1) A has 7.x HP motor, B has a 9.x HP motor.
2) A has 3 gears, B has 4
3) They have pretty different carbs
4) A is piston ported, B is rotary valve (right?)
Any more big ones? How close are the engines to each other?
Other, more minor stuff I've noticed: The speedos are different in that there's no neutral light on my A, and there's no panel light either.
Thanks. -borther.
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Re: It's Raining Rabbits!
Where is your speedo located? All the 402Bs have a piece of sheetmetal on top of the handlebars, and the speedo is in this handlebar cover. On the 402A scoots I've seen, the speedo is down lower, mounted on a bulge on the inside of the legshield.
So, in addition to the differences you've mentioned:
--semi-auto clutch for first gear on the 402A
--plastic handlebar cover (vs metal) on the A
--speedo on legshield (at top of battery cover) on A
--battery cover plastic on A, metal on B
I have a restoration project here that I believe is an "A", and I've noticed that it has more brightwork on it. I'll have to go look side-by-side, but I believe the trim that goes around the edge of the legshield is shiny (stainless, chrome, or plastic) on the A? It's dull metallic on the B. I think there was another spot (side covers, maybe?) where the A had shiny piping and the B is just gray rubber.
The badges are different, too. My "A" has a coin-like badge with a "150" on it. On the B, there's a "Touring 150" script.
Of course, it's possible that my 402 project is not a touring model, but it does have the front and back racks, which (I believe) were standard on the "Touring". It's always possible that the dealership added the racks as an option. I can go take some side-by-side pics when it's light outside and not raining (so I can wheel them out for pics).
You're right about piston porting vs rotary valve. I believe Kouji's website credits the change in porting with the additional horsepower, which seems weird because I think it's usually the other way around these days. Don't modern manufacturers brag about getting extra power from piston porting?
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Re: It's Raining Rabbits!
OK, my mistake. The trim around the legshield is the same between my 402A and my 402Bs. However, the metal on the handlebars that holds the horn button, turn signal button, accelerator, etc is polished on the A. In addition, the grille around the headlight is polished on the A and matte on the B (it's a different shape, too). There is also a shiny strip around the side covers, so it looks like the A (or my A, at least) was designed to be a bit flashier than the "B". I'll take side-by-side pics when I get a chance.
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Re: It's Raining Rabbits!
Thanks Shane.
Speedo on mine is the bulge at the top of the battery area.
On mine, the semi-automatic clutch works for all the gears, not just first. There are chrome bits, like the front skirt has a bar around it, the racks are chrome (not shiny at the moment but they will be some day), there's chrome trim along the side panels, and the handlebar shifters/parts are chrome.
I know this about piston v. rotary valve porting: A friend in town has an Allstate that's a few years older than mine, his is piston ported, mine is rotary valve. I have more power than he does, which is a little humorous considering they aren't very powerful to begin with. He's since done more performance stuff to his bike and it's faster, but less reliable.
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Re: It's Raining Rabbits!
Hey Homeslices,
A disc or rotary value doesn't eliminate piston porting, it adds to it. A rotary engine produces more horsepower. The reason is the carburetor is attached to the crankcase (not the barrel) so the gas mixture goes directly into the crankcase, then the disc, or rotary value, is attached to the crank, it covers the intake valve as pressure builds up and then opens and gets sucked into the firing chamber. The valve is adjusted to open and close before top dead center, meaning the gas mixture enters immediately after the first stroke fires.
The difference between my S402-A (non-rotary valve) and the S402BT was remarkably different, close to a third more power, maybe more.
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Re: It's Raining Rabbits!
Thanks Bob. I know one other person that says "homeslice".
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